randomly chosen pre-2017 moments of Robert or/and Aaron [1/?]
randomly chosen pre-2017 moments of Robert or/and Aaron [1/?]
(Sorry, bit of a long one as I've just watched the late 2015 stuff... aka. when G*rdon turns up).
When it first aired for some reason I thought Aaron would go back to Robert to 'get back at his mum' for being with G*rdon again.
Could have led to the Dingles thinking its a form of self harm (as they hate Robert), but Aaron knowing that Robert was nowhere near as bad as G*rdon, so feeling weirdly safe with him as he knows Robert, and how to handle him.
I would have loved the drama with everyone (including Rob) having no idea why Aaron would go back to Robert, and having Chas, Paddy etc being fuming about it (for obvs reasons).
Would have been a good way to drag the early G*rdon storyline on for a bit, if nobody but Aaron knew what he'd done, but the Dingles & Paddy all taking G*rdon's side simply because they hated Robert (backtracking as soon as they knew, obvs).
(Plus lots of Robert (after some smug gloating) trying to be nice for Aarons sake but getting nowhere, and him changing as a result of wanting to a) be with Aaron and b) prove the village wrong about himself).
Then the shit hits the fan when Aaron tells Rob what happened to him as a kid.
If that makes sense.
Hi Anon!!! I am sad now that you didn't write the script at that time!!! ❤️🙂
This could have been something special!! The thing is Robert would have always done right by Aaron, especially after the shooting.
So we could have had some awesome scenes of Aaron being all romantic and trying to woo Robert and Robert, knowing Aaron all too well, being totally confused and cautious. See we never got that in the five years of Robron. Imagine Aaron being all "Robert is my boyfriend" at the pub 😂, much to the annoyance of Chas and Robert, still confused, playing along.
Wow!!! This could have been really good. Also, it would have given Aaron a lot more agency.
Eventually Robert would have confronted Aaron- what's going on and Aaron would have had to confide in Robert.
The only critique, hope you don't mind, with this is that such a thing of lashing out is more Robert's MO than Aaron's. Robert turns his anger outwards while Aaron turns it towards himself. And Aaron trusts Robert implicitly, so he would have known that Robert would never take advantage of him.
Doesn't mean this SL wouldn't have worked though!! In fact it would have been a lot more fun and would have saved us some of the boring non Robron scenes that were scattered within that amazing SL.
I imagine working like this- Aaron gets back or at least tries to get back with Robert and acts all loved up in the Woolly. After a couple of cringy outings Robert confronts Aaron and doesn't let up until Aaron spills out the truth. The scenes could have been pretty much the same as canon. But then Robert agrees to pretend to be Aaron's boyfriend and play along with Aaron's plan. All this time Aaron realizes Robert's qualities. Imagine, Robert being a great boyfriend to the outside world - waiting at the Woolly for a romantic Dinner, sending gifts to Aaron 😂...sometimes embarrassing gifts 😜 and then holding off in private. We would have still had the park scene which is my absolute favourite.
Also, this would have meant, Aaron not having to worry about that whole Chrissie Andy drama.
Like a previous anon said, this moment could have been used to rebuild Chrissie's character as her own woman and later used to develop an amicable co-parenting arrangement with Robert for Lachlan.
Okay, now I am REALLY sorry you didn't write the SL!!!!! This SL had so much potential!!!!!! ❤️
Hey. As of now, things can only get better.
I think Rob and Chrissie would have been great friends! Chrissie showed her crazy side when she locked Rob in the shed and it reminded me so much of Rob. It now reminds me of the lodge. Like they both loved hard and had a crazy streak… and are so intense and very into their public image, money, and power… they’d be like a power friendship duo! Thoughts?
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOU FOR SAYING THIS!!!!! Chrissie genuinely loved Robert and Robert loved Chrissie too. I believe Robert wanted his marriage to work, but he didn't know Aaron would happen. No one can predict a love like Robert and Aaron have. They don't need to be in a relationship because they are and always will be in love with each other.
Robert respected Chrissie a lot. She managed a business, she was her own woman, she was bringing up a difficult child like Lachlan and most importantly, Chrissie was super caring towards her mother when she got cancer. Plus, I think Robert's love and respect for Chrissie came from a complete disdain for the other three Whites! 🙄 They were genuinely losers & backstabbers. Also, in Robert's books if you are incompetent at business, you are a loser to him. Look at the examples- Aaron- built his own business, Nicola- manages the haulage, Chas, Charity, Jimmy, Joe Tate- friend or foe - he admires people who can earn their keep. Daddy White's and YKW's damsel in distress didn't impress him.
Ooops 🙈 I got carried away!! 😂
To come back to your question, yes, Chrissie and Robert would have been a good partnership of sorts. I doubt if they would have ever been friends or gone into business together. But they would have had to collaborate at some point. It could have led to some awesome scenes. Like imagine a full on business fight between Joe Tate, Robert Sugden, Nicola & Jimmy & Chrissie White - over the haulage and Home Farm etc. A constant game of one-upmanship tempting Robert to go back to his old devious ways....all the while Aaron is trying to keep him straight & narrow (no pun intended). 😂
It would have had everything- drama, comedy and obviously, lots of Robron chemistry
Not completely a Robron ask but do you know what happened to Scrapy the dog?? Why didn’t Aaron get to keep him when Adam left? It was their scrapyard guard dog and Aaron loved dogs so what happened? It’s like he was just gone!
Don't get me started on canon inconsistencies anon!! 🙄 We would be here all night! 😂 But it is sad, isn't it? Imagine cute scenes of little Seb playing with Scrappy or Aaron hugging him or talking to him after Robert's exit? 🥺💖 After all a dog is man's best friend, right?!
Omg what if Aaron had been the one to fall though the floor (and survived because...robron 😊).
Do you think rob would have still gotten married to Chrissie or would Aaron getting hurt been enough to skip it and go to the hospital with him?
Would Katie have gone to Chrissie still or would she have given rob a break until Aaron came out of hospital?
I like this 'what if' game!
Hi Anon!! I am loving this what if game too!!
Ooooh!! This is a really complicated one! Okay, I am going to be controversial on this one 😈😂
Robert was in denial at this time. And he basically acted in his self interest first and then regretted them later (alone, by himself)- tortured soul. So I think, he would have convinced Katie to take Aaron to the hospital and gone to the Church to get married to Chrissie.
Once Aaron was hurt, Katie would have felt bad because it's Aaron and she was Chas' best friend. So Katie would have thought of Aaron first and settling scores with Robert second.
Robert however would have been totally distracted at the wedding. I genuinely believe that, in canon, Robert said those vows properly to Chrissie because Aaron was there. Had Aaron been in hospital, his life hanging in balance, the wedding would have been a blur to him.
Just imagine, Robert sneaking in to Aaron's room, lovingly stroking his hair and silently begging him to get better! 🥺
Katie wouldn't have let up. She was out for revenge and wanted Robert to suffer. The only way she would have shut up was if Andy got a big break and Robert made her feel guilty about Aaron getting hurt.
Wow! This was really fun!! Thanks again anon!! ❤️
But have you got any idea how much kids tie you down? I’m not complaining.
The Summer fic isn’t dead, btw. I’m still working on it, life has just been popping off all over the place lately. All good things, just a lot happening, and not a lot of time or brain left over for writing. Thanks for your patience and I hope you’ll still be around to show it some love when the next chapter is ready to go up.
People always go on about Robert jealousy of Andy but think Robert/Katie was always a sore point for Andy and him saying Robert could have anyone he wanted screamed jealousy. and kills Andy one point Katie preferred Robert and even if the end chose Robert over Andy as he more bothered about what Robert was up to then focusing on her future with Andy.
I think it went both ways. Andy and Robert were jealous of what the other had. But Robert found his peace and happiness with Aaron and I think that’s great for him.
Robert is not a good person but i found the people around him hypocrites. Katie died because she was obsessed with Robert's sex life and felt she had the right to know and expose him and ruin his life. Robert was a bastard but it only because he didn't want his affair to be exposed and like Robert said Katie been in his position, Robert was not the one ruining your marriage love it was you choosing to obsess over what your ex lover was getting up too. I always took andy/chas forgiving robert for katie because they knew deep down Katie was way too obsessed and caused her own downfall and she was out to ruin robert's life because she the one who couldn't let go off the past which makes me laugh her acting all holier than thou with Robert, it same reason i disliked Rebecca she spent months trying to seduce robert and then plays the victim after sleeping with a drunk vulnerable man because he doesn't want to ruin his relationship, she slept with a man because he told her what she wanted to hear even though robert told her repeatedly he doesn't want her but suddenly believe he wants her because his heartbroken over aaron and drunk and vulnerable but is shocked when turns out robert used her is like really dumb slut. also you could taken the morning after pill to stop urself getting pregnant which again makes me think she wanted to get pregnant maybe hope robert would choose her. I mean robert was drunk etc so might not considered the consquences/protection but she wasn't ugh but she pushed all the blame on robert and made out herself to be the victim. aaron was the same making out robert murdered katie and he was not as guilty like no aaron your the reason katie was their and chose to have an affair with married man, robert is a fuck up but these people seem blame other which they accuse robert of doing the same it like hypocrites at least robert knows his vile.
I think Aaron and Robert are both flawed and that’s what makes them great. It’s why they click because they both deeply flawed characters.
agree people think robert secretly wanted rebecca but robert even said if he wanted her he could of had her, robert is a guy who does what he wants/gets what he wants and doesn't care. i think he just liked the attention from rebecca like vic said, because he craves the attention he never got from jack, i think he also felt unwanted by katie. chrissie and aaron at some points. I don't think robert was lying when he said he only wanted aaron and if he wanted rebecca he could of had her.
Robert could have had her anytime the only person he wanted was Aaron he just lashes out when hurt and uses sex to self destruct
This is all your fault, Doug. It’s all on you.
Also how Saint Katie gets on her high horse Robert is never to be forgiven for cheating on her but she forgives andy. also katie and andy both seem act like robert is only one to blame for the affair.
Exactly they all played their part in the affair and were all at fault. I feel like everything bad that happens is always all Robert fault and no one remember the good things he does. It’s why Aaron is special he took blame for his part and the reunion speech showed that he sees Robert doing things.
Re Robert and Rebecca I think maybe he was flattered by the attention like Vic says he loves the attention and because Rebecca was obsessed with him and loved his attention too, so Robert probably flattered by that since he had a boyfriend who was mistrusting of him and put liv/everyone first over him, so maybe he began to prefer spending time with Rebecca after spending months of being Aaron rock and getting no appreciation over than Aaron mistrusting him/ignoring him. i not excuse Robert but rewatching it no wonder he cheated because he felt unwanted/unloved which ties into Jack which his biggest issue and insecurity. Also maybe he attracted to Rebecca which he admitted he still find others attractive but won't act on it. I do believe Robert was not lying when he said he did not want Rebecca etc sure just cause he found her attractive doesn't mean he wanted to sleep with her, some convinced he was lying about not wanting Rebecca but like he said he wanted her he could of had her, maybe it because he wanted to remain loyal to Aaron but i don't get the impression he was over come with desire for Rebecca. sure he might been a bit temped because she is attractive etc, Rebecca might been the easy option compared to Aaron same with Chrissie imo i felt he clinged onto Chrissie so long because he was scared to admit to loving a man/be with a man and thought it the life he wanted. I think he enjoyed spending time with Rebecca because she gave him attention and it flattered him plus he could use her to his advantage.
I always felt that he felt that Aaron hated him which made him feel worthless but she wanted him even though he didn’t want her if he wanted her he could have wanted her at any time. Robert wanted to be faithful to Aaron and tried his best to be faithful. He just felt so bad and was so low and drunk it did not help. The whole thing was so complicated.
Robert lot of his issues stem from Jack, people make out Robert to be this evil monster and Jack this saint but Jack imo pretty much blantally favoured Andy and pretty much neglected Robert and didn't seem give af about how Sarah death affected him nor did Andy which annoys me the whole Andy is the good brother but his a hypocrite, but do think Emmerdale smashed that image that Andy is not really the good brother, Robert is the troubled black sheep but Jack was a flawed person/dad to Robert. Jack saying Andy always be the better person imo showed his favouristm and course him choosing Andy over Robert again, Robert is always the one sent away. It like Robert was punished when Andy killed their mother, People say Robert done a lot of shit across andy yes sure, but it probably retaliation of losing his mother and his selfishness is probably because Robert had to look at for himself because Jack would never look out for Robert like he would for Andy. and think Robert cares about his image etc all ties to jack and andy and trying to prove something. also jack is a serial cheat and people act like jack some saint and robert is the black sheep when jack, andy are both cheats too
Andy is also a wife beater and did a lot of terrible shit so they are all flawed people. What I love about robron is that it’s two flawed individuals who didn’t think they would ever find love finding love in each other. They loved each other and love each other like no one else has ever loved them before. Andy was shady when he was younger. Robert is 15 in classic and still hasn’t done anything wrong yet.
Yes i agree him saying honestly to chas was like he gave up trying to pacify chas and now Ben is gone he being honest Ben was no Robert.
Exactly neither of them will ever be Robert. Just like he admitted he lied to himself when he was with Alex. There are so many hints to how Aaron really felt.
But Robert did not learn he chose to put revenge for Vic being raped over Aaron and not listen to Vic and what she wanted. ultimately he chose that which is why Robert ended up in prison hence once again ending him and Aaron. He put Aaron first by giving Aaron up because he knows he never be able to make Aaron happy or knows he always screw thing up/hurt him, so Aaron now have a chance with someone who can.
See the show had no choice Ryan wanted to leave and that was the way that they believed that would keep robron still in love and together until the end. They could have had one or both fall out of love. Them having affairs. It could have been worse. They did the best they could. There are so many times Robert chose Aaron first and put him first. I believe over all the show did pretty well with how they handled robron love story.
It kind of sad he didn't learn from the mistakes he made during the affair, when he started putting Rebecca first over Aaron it no wonder Aaron was insecure not just their history but maybe the fear Robert only chose him cause Chrissie binned him and probably worry that Rebecca could offer him things he couldn't and Robert still had not learned. Aaron always have fear he lose Robert to another Chrissie or Rebecca.
Idk in my mind Robert was trying to put Aaron first he never chose Rebecca over Aaron. He still chose Aaron but I think the two of them didn’t know how to be together properly. Rebecca could die and the only reason Robert would care is because it would affect seb. He wouldn’t care for any other reason. It was always clear to me that Robert cared about Aaron more than anyone else.
I took that line of Aaron saying honestly it not been the same since Robert went to prison, i felt the key word was honestly as he had been lying and hiding it from Chas, Ben etc and him finally being honest he still misses Robert and nothing been the same since losing Robert, sure Ben helped heal his heart for a bit but think that line shows what he felt for Ben was not the same as what he felt for Robert and he had to hide what he felt for Robert to shut up Chas and to keep Ben around because he couldn't be with Robert. I mean Ben literally been murdered but he is talking about how things not been the same since losing his alive ex to prison and imo i feel like Jackson a lot of guilt ties into his grief rather than love. I mean the whole if i pushed Ben away he still be alive screams guilt. while saying it not been the same since Robert went to jail think implies what he and Ben was nothing compared to what he had with Robert. I mean he loved/cared for Ben but he was not the love of Aaron's life. I mean Ben not been dead long but we see him happy looking forward to the future. I feel he grieved harder and more for losing Robert and what they had compared to Ben because it was nothing compared to Robert and Ben was the rebound and maybe losing another lover brought up the pain again and made Aaron realise he not got over the pain over losing the last lover and being with Ben was just papering over the cracks. because Aaron imo always had to pacify liv, chas and paddy by lying and bottling up his feelings for robert which hilarious robert is toxic but they just as toxic for aaron imo.
I guess so I think to me Robert will always be the love of his life and I’ll just enjoy watching the 5 years we got and all the fic we got and write fic. Emmerdale sucks now and I miss when it was a superior gay show.
Yeah they didn't try to sell them but sold the story of Aaron did love Ben even if he wasn't the love of his life.
I feel like even that is doubtful I feel like Aaron was lying to himself and just trying to do what Ben wanted because he didn’t want to be alone and was trying to move on. But also the whole thing was very plotty.